Rare Findlay Ohio Token E. Bacher Union Saloon Sells for $321

E. BACHER / UNION SALOON / Sold for $321

This rare Civil War era trade token was for a long time incorrectly attributed as being from Cincinnati. Even though Thomas Schade found the correct info back in 1984, where it was printed in the "Copperhead Courier: Journal of the Civil War Token Society"
it apparently took someone googling the more recent scans of old newspapers to get the ''token officializers'' to make the correction online.

E. Bacher is well known to Findlay collectors by the many surviving bottles, but the token is a scarce one. Bacher sold the UNION EATING SALOON in 1866. He then was in business with his Findlay Bottling Works.

Here is Joe Terry's 2011 article about Findlay's Ernest Bacher and his bottle patents.

PDF article is embedded above. Or read it here.

Here's Schade's 1984 note to the journal:
"Fall 1984 Page 25
letter to the editor... 

Dear Mr. Mumford, 

I am writing to you in regards to new information uncovered on 
a Civil War Storecard. The token is Fuld #165-1, E. Bacher, Union 
Saloon, listed under Cincinnati, Ohio. I believe this token to be from 
Findlay, Ohio. 

According to my records, E. (Ernest) Bacher was a German 
immigrant who came to Hancock County, Ohio in 1858. From 1863- 
1866, he owned the Union Eating Saloon at 232 S. Main St., Findlay, 
Ohio. Bacher sold the business to Robert Timmerman, but the 
saloon name and location remained the same. Records show that 
again Bacher regained ownership of the saloon in 1873-74. After this 
Bacher went on to own the Findlay Bottling Works and two ice 
houses. E. Bacher was a resident of Findlay during and well after 
his business career. 

The above information came from court house records, 
newspapers, and city directories. The early Bradstreet books that I 
have access to, lists E. Bacher under Findlay, Ohio and not Cin- 
cinnati. I believe the word Eating was omitted on the token because 
of space limitations. I’m in the process of researching this further, 
however I strongly feel this token will be attributed to its probable 
home of Findlay, Ohio. Thank you. 

Sincerely yours, 
Thomas N. Schade #1617"
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A Look at Lima Ohio's Equity Dairy History and It's Milk Bottles

Photo of an Equity Dairy Store with a great neon sign made by Lima's own NEON PRODUCTS INC.

A look at Lima Ohio's Equity Dairy, 1921-1981, written by Joe Clevenger. The Shelley Townsend Dairy took over Equity's bottled milk delivery customers in 1943. You can see several Equity/Lima milk bottles pictured in the article below:

PDF viewer embedded above; if it doesn't load, read the article here.

There are lots of great photos in the pdf/article, so be sure to scroll to see them all.

Here a some additional photos of Equity and Shelley Townsend memorabilia.

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Revolutionary Ways to Promote Antique Bottles

Antique bottle dealers aren't limited to just official bottle shows. Recently our friends at the Ohio Bottle Club took a block of tables at a ''regular'' antique show, the Hartville Flea market, to help promote their club and our wonderful hobby.  Kudos to them for sharing their passion with the non-bottle antiquers - well done! See  more pix here.

Todd Knisely was set up there too, then hurried off to another event. He had been asked to share some of his historic bottles and his extensive knowledge of their use in the Revolutionary War at a reenactment at Fort Laurens in Bolivar Ohio. It made for a very long weekend, but he talked about antique bottles with so many people, and was filmed for 2 - count 'em 2! - tv shows. The shows are about history, but showing antique bottles, so yeah!

As Todd writes: " ... I took Revolution era bottles that spanned from the French & Indian War, the American Revolutionary War, and the War of 1812, to not only show what items of the reenactment period would have looked like, but to show the transition before and after the period. 

... “I was excited to be invited by Commander Robert Cairns to attend the Fort Laurens encampment. I was able to take bottles and glass that ranged from 1750-1820’s showing the diversity of bottles in those time periods. It was especially good timing to have a new OBC member banner to hang on the front of my table while there. Many people took photos of the banner, my table and me during the event which was open to the public and also attended by several out of state brigade units. Alan did a nice job on the banners that we used for the first time at the Hartville event just an hour before.” 
... “I spoke to well over one hundred people directly over the two days, and was overheard by hundreds more. I answered questions about specific bottles that were on my tables, and demonstrated common uses for the items I had brought. I was completely surprised when asked to sign a television release form for HGTV who was on the grounds Sunday to film a special about the event. "
After the excitement of the HGTV crew wanting to know what Todd was doing and speaking on for the weekend, he was then approached by a film crew from the Ohio Historical Society and asked to do an on-film interview and explanation of his tables of artifacts. Todd said “I was tired from setting up, tearing down at Hartville and then Fort Laurens, and then the same thing again on Sunday. I was losing my voice from talking to so many people and the OHS crew filmed me late in the event on Sunday and it was all I could do to be legible and make sense.” Todd went on to say “I gave away actual glass cullet and manufacturing shards from the Wistarburgh Glass Works which operated from 1739 to the 1780’s. I had two mid-17th century signal cannons, two 1750-1820 medical bleeding cups, an actual blow pipe along with some great early bottles. The people who attended were history buffs just for coming to the event, so I was a big hit due to having actual period relics on display. I was also invited by the museum director to give a presentation to the Zoar Historical Society at a future date. All-in-all it was a great weekend not only for myself, but the club and [bottle] hobby as well.”"

Congrats to Todd!
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In Memoriam - Mike Jordan

MIKE JORDAN 1938-2016

Another sad loss for the fruit jar hobby. Our condolences to the Jordan family.

Ocala, Florida – George Parritt (Mike) Jordan, 78, passed away June 12, 2016. He was born April 27, 1938 in Rome, Italy to George Champe and Louise Parritt Jordan. He moved here from Virginia 16 years ago. He was a Veteran of the United States Air Force, and worked for the US Department of Defense as an Special Agent/Investigator.  He received a bachelors degree from the University of Southern California.
He is survived by his beloved wife of 48 years, Betty Lou Vanover Jordan; daughter, Connie Sue Jordan, of Centreville, VA, and son, George V. Jordan, of Orlando; and two grandchildren, George and Samantha.  
Mike Jordan had many facets.  He was an avid fruit jar collector who had many small collections, including spittoons, hyacinth vases, food bottles, swizzle sticks, jar openers, and demijohns, just to name a few.  He began this journey in 1969 and over the course of his life, attended 100s of bottle shows all over the country.  He won many awards for his creative and colorful displays, including People's Choice awards, Educational awards, and Dealers Choice awards.  The many folks he met during the shows and bottle club meetings over the years became part of his family.
Mike was also a talented musician.  He was a master on the dobro, which he began playing in 1967.  He played in many bands and with groups all over the country.  He loved attending bluegrass festivals and jams.  He made many good friends in this area of his life.
Mike was also a skilled table tennis player.  He began his table tennis career back in college, at the University of Southern California.  In recent years, he participated in the Florida Senior Games Series and won bronze, silver, and gold medals in doubles.  Several years ago he was 5th in the state of Florida in doubles.
Funeral Service will be held at 11am, Saturday June 18th, at the Open Door Community Church, 5200 SW 145th St. Summerfield, FL with Pastor Gerald Bustin officiating. Interment to follow in Highlands Memorial Park Cemetery at 12:30pm. 
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In Memoriam - Norm and Junne Barnett

Junne Barnett
Violet Junne Barnett, 91, of Flat Rock, passed away Tuesday, May 17, 2016

Sadly, we lost Junne this Spring. She and her late husband Norm were long time fruit jar collectors, and founders of the Midwest Fruit Jar Club of Muncie. Our condolences to their families. 

Norm's obituary is posted below.
Junne's is here.

The Barnetts were inducted into the FOHBC Hall of Fame in 2003 for their contributions and devotion to the collecting hobby.

2003 – Norm & Junne Barnett

Early Federation members, the Barnetts specialized in fruit jars. In 1972, Norm joined Roger Emory of Hagerstown, Ind., to organize the Midwest Antique Fruit Jar and Bottle Club. Norm served as president for all but 10 years of its existence and was show chairman at the same time. Junne served as club newsletter editor for 30 years, retiring in 2006. She did the program books for the FOHBC 25th anniversary show in Cherry Hill, N.J. (1994) and Nashville, Tenn., Expo (1996)
Read the Norm Barnett fruit jar Legend article here: pdf link.

Posted June 2010 -- Long time fruit jar collector, Norman Barnett has been in ill health for some time, and sadly, he passed away this morning. Oct. 25, 2010.

Here is a wonderful article about Norm, and his fruit jar collection, when author Bruce Schank included Norm in his 'Legends of the Jar' interview series. -- just click on this link to the Midwest Fruit jar Club's newsletter:

The Barnetts will always be remembered, and missed.

Here is the obituary from the SHELBYVILLE NEWS -- Published: Thursday, October 28, 2010

Norman Barnett, 84, of Flat Rock died Monday Oct., 25, 2010. at Indiana Masonic Home in Franklin.

Born Feb. 9, 1926, in Shelby County, he was the son of Lloyd H. and Lillie Mae (Crawford) Barnett. He married Junne Baxter on March 19, 1946, and she survives.

Other survivors include his sons, Stephen Barnett of Medaryville and Gary A. (wife, Debra) Barnett of Edinburgh; grandchildren, Angela, Jesse, Ryan A. (wife, Kim) and Bradley A. Barnett; great-grandchildren, Aodhan Frazee, Icadora Frazee, David A. Barnett and Noah A. Barnett; sisters-in-law, Exiene Barnett and Joan Baxter; niece, Sandy Daulton; nephew, Bill Barnett; brother-in-law, Oris Baxter; daughter-in-law, Dawn Barnett Baker; and cousins, David Sever and Karen Doughty.

He was preceded in death by his parents and brothers, Donnie Barnett and Kenneth Barnett.

Mr. Barnett had owned Barnett Sales in Flat Rock, an Oliver and White farm equipment dealership, for 30 years.

He had served in the U.S. Army and Air Force during World War II.

Mr. Barnett was a member of Flat Rock United Methodist Church, past master of Farmers Masonic Lodge and past president of Federation of Historical Bottle Collectors. In 2003, he and his wife were inducted in to the FOHBC Hall of Fame. He was chairman of the organization 1979-10. He had also served on the Shelby County Sheriff Merit Board for 28 years and was board president of the Shelby County Historical Society.

His favorite hobby was collecting rare antique fruit jars, his collection was among the top 10 in the county. He was also an organizer in 1969 of the Midwest Antique Fruit Jar and Bottle Club, the only club for collectors of mainly fruit jars with membership in 28 states and Canada and served as president for 25 years.
Due to this hobby the Barnetts have friends across the country and have been able to travel to England and Europe four times and all 50 states.
Visitation will be from 11 a.m. until 2 p.m., with Masonic rites at 1:45 p.m., Saturday at Flat Rock United Methodist Church.

Funeral services will be at 2 p.m. Saturday at the church, with the Rev. Les Fix officiating.

Burial, with military graveside rites, will be in Flat Rock Cemetery.
Memorials may be donated to Grover Museum, Flat Rock United Methodist Church or Shelbyville Salvation Army, in care of the funeral home.
Online condolences may be sent to http://www.normanfuneralhome.net/.

Sad News: David Brown has Passed

David Brown

We are sad to hear that long time club member David Brown has passed away after a long illness. Our sincerest condolences to David's family, and especially to David's brother and fellow bottle club member Tom Brown. Tom and David started digging for and collecting bottles together as young boys. 

David Ray Brown, 65, of Findlay, passed away at 10:25 a.m. Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at the Bridge Hospice Care Center. He was born in Chicago, Illinois on June 12, 1950 to the late Thomas and Rosemary (Miller) Brown. He married Debra Zink in May of 1990 and she preceded him in death. Surviving David are four daughters, Carolyn Ann Cook, Stacy Marie (Carl) Trimble, Nicole North, Kelly Rizor, one son, David Wayne Brown all of Findlay; eight grandchildren, a brother, Thomas W. (Dorothy) Brown of Findlay, a sister, Laura Ann (Stan) Smalling and a sister-in-law Barb Brown. David was preceded in death by a brother, Steve Brown and a sister Juanita Saldana. He was retired from the National Lime and Stone as a loader operator and was a member of the Findlay Antique Bottle Club. Visitation will be held from 6-8 p.m. on Thursday, April 21, 2016 at KIRKPATRICK-BEHNKE FUNERAL HOME. A private graveside service will be held at Maple Grove Cemetery. Online condolences may be shared with the family at www.kirkpatrickbehnke.com/Dave-Brown
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It's Friday the 13th Again! - Moonshine and #13 on Ball Jars

It's Baaackkk! Today is Friday the 13th!

While fruit jars with the number 13 on the base are sought after, glassbottlemarks.com makes a good point: "many of these jars are now saved by non-collectors or casual glass collectors (and “culled” from large groups of common jars) merely because of the number on the base. This culling out of #13 jars from among the “general population” of jars (and stashing them away) can increase the perception of their scarcity."

Moonshiners and fruit jars ~ a confiscated bootleg still.

When taking down a still, revenue officers destroyed everything a moonshiner might use later, including glass jars.  Franklin County, Virginia, 1965.

When taking down a still, revenue officers destroyed everything a moonshiner might use later, including glass jars.  - Franklin County, Virginia, 1965. - [Source]

More from fruitjar.org --

Q.     Are the Ball jars with the number 13 on bottom worth more money and, if so, why?
A.     The ‘Urban Legend’ is that moonshiners used mason jars for their product, and, being superstitious, would break the 'unlucky' ones with 13 on the base.  This made the jars rare. 
                   In truth, moonshiners did in fact use mason jars as the preferred container for their product.  They were a known capacity, were readily available and buying them did not raise suspicion. 
                   Also, jars with 13 on the base are rarer than single digit numbers.  But all the double-digit numbers are rare. The numbers designated the position that the mold occupied on the glassmaking machine, and there were usually 8 or 10 positions on the machine.  The higher numbers were used when a mold was replaced.  Dealers sell jars with 13 on the base at a higher price, but fruit jar collectors and the published price guides do not consider the number on the base to make any difference in value.
                    My opinion is that while moonshiners may have been superstitious, I can't imagine that the housewife would break jars just because they had 13 on the base, and housewives used more jars than moonshiners.  I think that the urban legend was created by antique dealers who wanted to make more money off an otherwise common jar.

In 2012 we had three Friday the 13ths. 2013 had just two of the superstition-laden days will cross our paths. 2014 saw just one, with 2015 back to three occurences. Next one is in May 2016. [Calendar link]

Friday the 13th 2016

Friday, May 13, 2016

Friday the 13th 2017

Friday, January 13, 2017
Friday, October 13, 2017
Several theories have been proposed about the origin of the Friday the 13th superstition.
One theory states that it is a modern amalgamation of two older superstitions: that thirteenis an unlucky number and that Friday is an unlucky day.
  • In numerology, the number 12 is considered the number of completeness, as reflected in the twelve months of the year, twelve hours of the clock, twelve gods of Olympus, twelve tribes of Israel, twelve Apostles of Jesus, the 12 successors of Muhammad in Shia Islam, twelve signs of the Zodiac, etc., whereas the number 13 was considered irregular, transgressing this completeness. 
  • There is also a superstition, thought by some to derive from the Last Supper or a Norse myth, that having 13 people seated at a table will result in the death of one of the diners.
  • Friday has been considered an unlucky day at least since the 14th century's The Canterbury Tales and many other professions have regarded Friday as an unlucky day to undertake journeys or begin new projects.
  • One author, noting that references are all but nonexistent before 1907 but frequently seen thereafter, has argued that its popularity derives from the publication that year of Thomas W. Lawson's popular novel Friday, the Thirteenth, in which an unscrupulous broker takes advantage of the superstition to create a Wall Street panic on a Friday the 13th.
  • In many Spanish speaking countries, the movie "Friday the 13th" was renamed to Tuesday the 13th ("Martes 13"), because it is believed to be the day of bad luck, not Friday the 13th.

Here are some more "Friday the 13th" info-tidbits from Wikipedia:
  • The fear of Friday the 13th is called paraskavedekatriaphobia [say that 10 times fast -- yikes!]
  • The 13th day of the month is slightly more likely to be a Friday than any other day of the week.
  • On average, there is a Friday the 13th once every 212 days. 
  • It's estimated that 17 to 21 million people in the United States are affected by a fear of this day -- & estimated that $800 million is lost in business on this day. 
I say FEAR NOT !!! Let's get out there and shop!

Sad News: Bob Clay, Noted Ball Jar Collector, Has Passed

Robert 'Bob' Alan Cray

Bob and Vicky Clay

Screen shot of Bob's L.O.T.J. interview. 
Photos by Bruce Schank.

News just reached the fruit jar hobby that Robert Clay passed away in March. Our sincere condolences to his wife Vicky, and their family.

Bob was a long-time collector of Ball jars. Here is his obituary, as well as an excerpt from the Legends of the Jar interview that Bruce Schank wrote, and then some comments from Bob's friends on the Ball Jar Collectors forum.

Robert (Bob) Alan Clay, lifelong Okmulgee resident, passed away Thursday, March 3, 2016 at the age of 62.  He was born June 4, 1953 in Okmulgee to the late William Jack and Margaret (Bailey) Clay.  He attended Okmulgee Schools from 1st-12th grade and graduated from Okmulgee High School where he was on the Scholastic Honor Roll.  Robert worked at Beeline Bowl, where he was manager for several years.  Robert married Vickie Lee Holloway on August 21, 1973 in Morris.  He worked for Ball Glass Container Corporation for 20 years, where he worked his way up to line supervisor.  After the merger with Incon Glass, Robert returned to a union position in Quality Control.  Robert returned to OSU Okmulgee after the closure of the glass plant and graduated in 1997 on the Provosts Honor Roll with a degree of Associate of Applied Science in Digital Graphics Technology.  He then went to work for Alpha Graphics as a Production Scheduler then years later worked for Sherwin-Williams.  He was a member of Cornerstone Foursquare Church.
Robert was a devoted husband, brother, uncle and friend.
He was preceded in death by his parents and grandmother, Hazel Beatta Clay.  
Survivors include his wife of 42 years, Vickie Clay, a sister, Dr. Marjorie Clay, PhD, Worcester, Mass., and father and mother-in-law, Ray Holloway and Alta Holloway of Preston.
Friends may visit the funeral home on Monday from 9:00 A.M. – 8:00 P.M.
A funeral service will be held 2:00 P.M., Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at the Cornerstone Foursquare Church with Pastor Mickey Baldwin officiating.  Interment will follow in the Okmulgee Cemetery.  Casketbearers will be Brian Summers, Randy Ray, Shawn Pye, Shane Stogner, Steve Muzljakovich and Robert Walker.
Arrangements have been entrusted to the McClendon-Winters Funeral Home of Okmulgee.
Memories, condolences, photos and videos may be shared with the family on Robert’s Tribute Page at www.mcclendon-winters.com -- [Source: http://yourokmulgee.com/articles/2016/03/07/robert-clay]


Alas, The Legends of the Jars website is offline now, but thankfully the internet has stored the Bob Clay interview here, where you can read it in full, with photos.
Here is a text excerpt:

Bob worked  for Ball Corporation for almost 20 years and  collected fruit jars for over 30 years. Bob had some of the most  desirable and rare Ball jars known at one time and his colored ball jar collection was practically untouchable. Bob claims to have been  addicted to fruit jar collecting  since 1975 as the result of a  Christmas gift his sister gave him  that year of a plain old ordinary ''3L Balll MASON'' quart jar. Bob  begun working for Ball in August  of 1975 at the former PINE plant  that Ball bought in 1929 in  Okmulgee and then  subsequently ran it until 1994.  Bob’s sister thought it appropriate that he  should have an old jar the company had made  nearly ¾ of a century earlier. If  she only knew then what she had started.

By 1980, as Bob would put it, he was completely  eaten up with fruit jar collecting. Since he  worked for Ball, his primary focus was Ball jars,  but anything odd he came across was fair game.  By the mid 1980s, Bob began attending shows  and selling jars to support his  ever growing habit. Bob said “this hobby can be more  addictive than any drug  known to mankind. At least  with drugs or alcohol,  support groups are easy to  find. I subscribed to every  publication I could. I read  everything I could get my  hands on. I got to know as  many of the 'big names' in  the hobby as I could. My best  mentor was Dick Roller,  (considered by many as  America's "premiere Fruit jar  expert" at the time) and I  helped him as much as I  could with the Ball section of  his book, the Standard Fruit Jar  Reference. I couldn't begin to list  all the people that have helped  me along the way though.”  

Working for Ball opened up many  doors for Bob. He got to meet  such notable people as Bill  Brantley, author of A Collector's  Guide to Ball Jars. Bob also met  with Mr. Edmund F. Ball several  times.  “He (Edmund Ball) even  came to my home to view my jars. Plus Ball did  an article on my jars in their quarterly corporate  magazine, The Ball Line. (vol. 36, number 4,  1981) Actually working with the forming  machines as they made jars has really helped  me understand how the manufacturing  processes worked a hundred years ago.”  

Bob related ... an interesting story about a  black Ball Mason quart jar he bought  in 1987 from Bob Rhineburger. This  particular jar sat on Bob  Rhineburger’s table all day at the  January 1987 Indy Show without a  buyer. Bob’s friend John Granda  fortunately called Bob to tell him  about this jar and how it was THE  darkest jar he had ever seen or come  across and how everyone complained  the asking price was $450 yet the  embossing was weak. Well, Bob  trusting John’s color sense called Mr.  Rhineburger and asked him to bring  the jar to the St. Louis Show which he  did. Bob figured he could make his  own determination about the  embossing and the color. Well, as  soon as Bob laid eyes on that black  quart Balll Mason jar it was an instant sale.  According to Bob he was even criticized at the time by some people. How could he pay that  much for a jar with  weak embossing?  Bob’s reply; “it’s Black  for cryin out loud and  you can still see it’s a  Ball jar!” 

One of Bob’s fondest jar memories is of the  1988 St. Louis show. By then Bob had made up  his mind that he was going to get rid of the bulk  of his collection of over 3000 jars and whittle it  down substantially to about 100 of the best jars  and sink the proceeds of those sales into  colored Ball jars, which were somewhat more  reasonably obtainable at the time compared to  other rare colored jars.  Bob tells the story as follows: 

“So I pull into the  hotel in St. Louis with a pickup load  of jars, cash in my pockets and  thoughts of a wonderful evening  and day ahead. I wasn’t in my  room 20 minutes when the phone  rang. It was an old friend, Bill  Dudley that had just checked in  and wanted to visit. He said he  brought a jar or two I might be  interested in. So I walk down to his  room and the door is slightly ajar  so I open it and go on in. On the far  side of the bed sat Bill, with a sly  grin from ear to ear. On the bed  sat the most beautiful amber quart  Balll STANDARD I’d ever cast eyes on. My  mouth dropped a little  bit and I tried to hide  the tiny bit of drool  escaping the left side  of my lips. “Nice jar  Bill,” I said to him…and  he reached down into  a box and pulled out  another which was  more olive amber this  time, but still a  fabulous color. As my  knees weakened, he  pulled out a nice olive  green with amber swirls and another and then  still one more. So he sat them all on the bed  grinning like a Cheshire cat the whole time.  At that moment I was begging God for mercy  and I think someone helped me into a chair  there. In less than a minute, he’d made the  whole show a moot point. It couldn’t get any  better than this, (at least for me anyway.) It  probably took me about 20 minutes before I  could even ask, “How much?” Knowing there  was no way I was prepared for  this. But Bill let me give him the  cash I had for the moment and  after the next day’s sales, I was  able to pay him the entire  amount. I was able to come  home with five fabulously  colored Balll STANDARD quarts,  all at one time. It was only after  getting them home that I  realized that four of them had  been made in the same mould.  (Roman numeral VII.)  

One of the things Bob has  always found to be odd; both back then as well as today are some people’s  reactions to his paying what amounted to a  good sum of money for a ‘lowly’ Ball jar. Bob  said; “Ball jars have never had the ‘status’ that  even colored 1858s have had to collectors, let  alone the early closure collectors” Bob states  and “even though lovely to look at, it was still  “just” a Ball jar. Back in the 70's, Ball jars were,  to most collectors, "riff‐raff" jars. I can  remember a friend buying a root beer amber  Balll MASON quart for $70 at a show! Just not  much interest in Ball stuff, it was just "too  common. First, some  people said I was just nuts  and after awhile, they  began saying I was trying to  drive prices up for everyone  and then sometimes even  sharper criticism floated  around. But as with any  collectible, I simply bought  what I liked and only paid  prices I considered to be fair  for myself. When it came  time to sell my collection,  suffice it to say, quality over  quantity made a worthwhile  investment. “   

Bob has always been willing  to share the knowledge he  gained in nearly 35 years of  collecting. Bob claims that if  he has done anything truly worthwhile at all for  this hobby it’s that he took a stand against  sellers on eBay that were selling reproduction  jars as authentic jars. In 2001 Bob had several  ‘info‐auctions’ and wrote articles about the  fakes we often see on eBay for sale. Bob and a  few others were called the ‘eBay jar police’ for  several years for actually getting a few sellers  busted off eBay for their lying habits.  

Although Bob has now sold off his vast  incredible collection, he still has a few jars  floating around his home... but nothing good to  speak of he claims. Bob is a very humble guy  and told me, “although I considered myself a  serious collector…wanting to know all I could  possibly find out about any particular jar I had, I  do not in any way consider myself a 'legend' in  the hobby. That descriptor I reserve for the  many outstanding collectors and mentors that  have passed before me and mentored many of  us.” Throughout  the 1990s, Bob dispersed his  collection; bought the best colored  Ball jars he could find only to  disperse those also. 

In summation: Bob says; “We are  merely caretakers of a bit of history  for the time being. What are really  important are the many  relationships you gain simply  because of a melted hunk of soda  ash and sand. The people you meet,  the friendships you make, the bonds  of being around similarly crazed  people, the knowledge you gain and the fun you  experience FAR outweigh the jars  themselves...no matter how fabulous the  collection. Then you understand the TRUE joy of  this hobby."

Comments from Bob's friends on the Ball Jar Forum,where Bob used the nickname 'Old Has-Been' :

Jeff Klingler: "Bob was one of the Original creators of this site, a long time BALL Corp employee and was the guy who really put colored BALL jars on the map. In recent years bob has not had internet access and no computer, so he hasn't been able to post on this site in 2-3 years. But if you go back and read some of his posts here, you will see how much knowledge and info he contributed to this site and to the fruit jar hobby in general. Bob even had a website years ago that that MANY people linked to when determining the age of a BALL jar.

So this is a real big loss to the fruit jar collecting hobby, and to all of us BALL jar collectors. even though i never met him in person, we sure had a lot of fun with the discussions on this site all those years. he sure will be missed.

RIP bob, aka Old Has Been."

Joe Coulson: "I am very sad to hear that news.  I had the privilege of meeting Bob at the St. Louis Bottle Show in 2011, and it truly was a special occasion[1].  I got to hear firsthand about the "pick to pack" ratio tracking that he invented at the Okmulgee Ball Plant, and several other stories.  He was a very positive and encouraging person who has inspired me to dig deep into Ball jar collecting and Ball jar history.  The volumes of glass manufacturing wisdom that he has left as a legacy on this site clearly demonstrates the expertise that he had and the love he had for the hobby. I'm glad we had Bob's involvement during the formative years of this site. "

Rob: "Bob.. will be missed by many ....He had a huge effect on many Collectors .We are forever indebted to him for great volumes of his knowledge of Ball made jars...
Preserved forever in the posts here on this forum ..."

Michael: "Bob Clay was my mentor. 

He took me under his wing and we had SO MANY great conversations. He is the reason I collect what I collect ... he LOVED Ball Specials too Happy

Bob Clay is THE reason this community exists ... He was my inspiration ... it was all of his knowledge, and his willingness to share it, that inspired me to create a place to catalog and save these facts, figures, opinions and great storeis for the benefit of new, young collectors like myself. He freely shared EVERYTHING he knew with us. He did for us what other did for him ... and he gladly passed along his passion for the hobby. As others have said, just search any early topics on this site and see for yourself the kind of man Bob Clay was. 

You are missed my friend and I feel a bit of shame that I lost contact with you. 

 Rest in Peace Bob"

Bruce Schank: "I write these words with a heavy heart. My long time protoge and friend in the fruit jar hobby has passed on into eternity. Bob Clay was more than just a fellow collector and far more than just an acquaintance, and although we only met but once in three plus decades, we established a thriving friendship over those years that went far beyond fruit jars.
Often life gives us pain we don't think we can endure. When someone is taken from us unexpectedly, it leaves a gaping hole in our life that nothing else can ever take its place. Each of us in our own right is intrinsically valuable to God for after all, we are made in his image, then loved ones are a given, then good friends and finally acquaintances. And even if seemingly no one else cares, there's always that someone who does.
Well, Bob was that someone. I've known a lot of people in my life but Bob was genuinely a decent human being. He was of the old school. His word was his creed and he stood by it no matter what. There was no guessing with Bob. You always knew where he and you stood. He never wavered in his friendship.
Bob almost singe handedly managed to put Ball jars on the collecting map and they're still there to this day and going strong as ever. His knowledge and enthusiasm for the hobby will be sorely missed. Bob and I spent endless hours discussing jars on the phone and via email sharing each others knowledge. More importantly in the last 10 years we went from jars to a level of friendship only two truly good buddies can ever understand.
I already miss my conversations with Bob. He was a special part of my life and so much so as to be a very small part of my inner circle of true friends. Bob can never be replaced with anyone or anything else. That's impossible because Bob was truly a unique person. With that said, I do have one hope and that hope is we'll meet again one day soon enough because Bob trusted in the Savior Jesus Christ as I do.
Everyone should enjoy this life and be ever grateful to God for everything they have and all of the blessings He richly bestows on us. Always share a part of yourself with others without reservation and remember to have a mindset that eternity can call you at any time."

Read Bob Clay's comments about attending one of the St. Louis bottle shows here.

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